|I went along to *Mashup last night, Sam Sethi spoke about Microsoft's Live products (coming soon). As tends to happen at these things, my muttered "Oh Good Grief" was a bit too loud and I got asked to ask a question by the moderator. I said how ironic it was that we were at a presentation to talk about mashing 2 web application APIs together to create a 3rd when what we were being presented with was one Microsoft future product working with another Microsoft future product. I then questioned whether Infocards was actually open which was what had prompted the original "Good Grief". Marc Canter leapt in and did his aggressively optimistic thing and mentioned "Cynical Brits" (which I take as a compliment!) before throwing in a bit later a battle cry of "OPEN STANDARDS".|
So anyway, Marc's blogged all this, and I added the following as a comment.
It’s so hard to have this conversation. I really, really hope that Infocards is open enough that it’s *possible* to write a LAMP based Identity Provider and Service provider that uses and interoperates with other Infocard systems. I don’t expect Microsoft to help with this, but I don’t really understand why they can’t. If Infocards were an open source standard, you’d see sample code and libraries being built by the community for multiple platforms. But because the source is a company, we apparently can’t expect them to also be the community or put effort into kickstarting the work. So the task falls on us. We end up having to do all the work with no help beyond reading the specs because we find it interesting. But I worry that the end result is that the LAMP community will not bother precisely because the spec came from Microsoft. The conclusion then is that Infocards is exactly the same as Passport. A reasonable identity system that only ever gets used inside Microsoft’s garden. The garden may have no walls but there’s still nobody else in it. What would be worse than this would be if Infocards has an open spec but the spec requires technology that only Microsoft has. Then it really doesn’t matter whether it’s open or not, it’s still impossible for anyone else to implement. For the record, I think that’s where it’s going. Like I said at the start I really, really hope I’m wrong.
There's some things I want to see here:-
- A stable complete OpenID library for PHP.
- OpenID supported in Drupal
There's one question I don't understand:-
- Why doesn't one of the half a dozen other web bigCos with millions of customers produce an open Identity standard? Google, Yahoo!, AOL, eBay You've got a golden opportunity here.
And there's one thing I'll wish for:-
- One of the portal companies to turn the MyXXXX page inside out and create a TheirXXXX page. An AboutMe system that aggregates what I do for other people to read, instead of an Aggregator that collects together things for me to read about the outside world. So instead of trying to keep my eyeballs stuck to their property, use my content to bring new eyeballs in to their property.
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[ 09-Feb-06 4:38pm ] [ microsoft , Web2.0 ]